do you really want to buy anything from China ?

[theodoric]

sadly ... things never seem to change in China

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110612/ts_ ... ina_lead_1

as I had mentioned in another thread in here ... I personally feel safer with my Mio being from a country other than China

I know the Chinese doll makers are way less expensive that their Japanese or Korean counterparts ........ but is it really worth it

I can imagine that a lot of Chinese children and adults would say no ... if they were allowed to ...

some older news articles
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industrie ... call_N.htm

taken from http://www.yourlawyer.com/articles/read/13237
"Exposure to lead can cause brain damage and other problems in young children, and the US all but banned the toxin from toys nearly 30 years ago. But more and more toy manufacturers have moved their operations to China, where most of the recalled toys originated. These factories are not subject to the same levels of inspection US operations would have to undergo. Because of this, millions of lead-tainted toys have made their way into the US, exposing an unknown number of children to this dangerous poison."

[zirconmermaid]

I don't worry about the lead content, since it is primarily in paint. Also - you actually need to eat the lead for it to cause damage. The Chinese dolls I have weren't bought because they were cheap, but because I really love the doll. And I don't want to penalize the small manufacturers for the errors of others. The thing to do is find out which products have the problem, and then not buy them. If the manufacturers cannot sell the items, they will change their ways.

[Gift_in_Edge]

China seems a little backwards compared to the American lifestyle.

[Kayota]

I don't think that BJD makers are the same as toy makers or what have you. I don't think our dolls will have lead on or in them... But that's just me. I like my Resinsoul doll and I wouldn't trade him for anything.

[1/6andtinylover]

Well, lots of Chinese BJD companies nowdays (Dollzone, Resinsoul, Bobobie, Impldoll, etc) have a good reputation and even though most early BJDs from China were said to be unsafe knockoffs, they've improved since (both in terms of BJDs and economy and such) so I personally think that it won't be long before some Chinese companies joins Korean and Japanese companies as well known ones, as in the sort that would get featured in front page of a magazine.

*personally has eye on a ImplDoll girl*

[theodoric]

I don't worry about the lead content, since it is primarily in paint. Also - you actually need to eat the lead for it to cause damage. The Chinese dolls I have weren't bought because they were cheap, but because I really love the doll. And I don't want to penalize the small manufacturers for the errors of others. The thing to do is find out which products have the problem, and then not buy them. If the manufacturers cannot sell the items, they will change their ways.

you are sort of correct ... that IS the most common way young children get dosed ... but it is by far not the only way you can be exposed to harmful levels
you might want to start with this article ... it goes into much more detail, and lists references and publications quoted from ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning

China seems a little backwards compared to the American lifestyle.

that's being very nice about it ... yeah they are ... their lifestyle is just about as different as night and day from us

I don't think that BJD makers are the same as toy makers or what have you. I don't think our dolls will have lead on or in them... But that's just me. I like my Resinsoul doll and I wouldn't trade him for anything.

if it was just the Chinese toy makers ... it might not be as much of a concern (at least to me) ... but with the Chinese it is a wide range of products

Well, lots of Chinese BJD companies nowdays (Dollzone, Resinsoul, Bobobie, Impldoll, etc) have a good reputation and even though most early BJDs from China were said to be unsafe knockoffs, they've improved since (both in terms of BJDs and economy and such) ...

I'm curious ... according to who, have they improved ?

if they have in fact improved then that IS a good thing


I understand what people are saying about the dolls they have gotten from the Chinese doll makers
... if you got a doll you can enjoy then absolutely that is a very good thing

as I said in another thread ... I may be just too paranoid

[Stormlight]

Honestly, I'm hardly worried about lead. I work with raw lead nearly every night at work, and I have yet to succumb to any kind of poisoning from handling it. If I can go nine years like that, whatever lead might be in BJDs (and I hardly think there's any concern from lead in a product made of resin) isn't worth worrying over.

As for quality, I own a couple of BJDs from China, and there's nothing wrong with them as far as I can tell. They're just as good as my dolls from Korea and a bit less expensive.

[theodoric]

Honestly, I'm hardly worried about lead. I work with raw lead nearly every night at work, and I have yet to succumb to any kind of poisoning from handling it. If I can go nine years like that, whatever lead might be in BJDs (and I hardly think there's any concern from lead in a product made of resin) isn't worth worrying over.

As for quality, I own a couple of BJDs from China, and there's nothing wrong with them as far as I can tell. They're just as good as my dolls from Korea and a bit less expensive.

I understand what you are saying about lead ... most of problems resulting from lead exposure are not fatal, and most take years to show up
... and depending on what country you live in, there are very strict regulations and safety procedures that apply to anyone working with lead ... I remember not too many years ago in America at least one car battery manufacturer didnt want to hire women of child bearing age because even with the safety procedures in effect they could still be exposed to levels of lead high enough to potentially cause birth defects or other problems when pregnant

and it isnt just lead contaminated products coming from China ...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/ ... 5737.shtml
http://www.smh.com.au/national/new-sofa ... -a3e2.html

I know I may be a bit paranoid ... but it's not like I dont have reason to be ... I dont know what country you live in, but here in America nothing coming from China is ever checked until it is too late and people are already being affected by whatever the contaminant is

... part of the reason for that I suspect is because China is floating so many trillions of our deficit spending ... the govt doesnt dare do anything to filter Chinese products coming into the country
... that situation might be different in other countries, there might be more checks and controls in place

[Gift_in_Edge]

This reminds me of a news story. A women went on a trip to Mexico. When she was there she asked to try some eye make-up on. She thought it looked so pretty on her so she bought some. She wore the make-up on her first day back to work at an eye doctors. Her eyes began to hurt so she asked one of the doctors and come to find out she was wearing lead on her eyes.

[theodoric]

This reminds me of a news story. A women went on a trip to Mexico. When she was there she asked to try some eye make-up on. She thought it looked so pretty on her so she bought some. She wore the make-up on her first day back to work at an eye doctors. Her eyes began to hurt so she asked one of the doctors and come to find out she was wearing lead on her eyes.

yeah ... reports of contaminated makeup keep showing up from time to time ... contaminated with lead ... bacteria ... and various other chemicals that shouldnt be in it
... and when you read the articles you usually find that the products were made overseas in countries that have no laws or regulations concering much of anything ... or that the raw products came from those same countries
... America screwed up big time when they started moving all the factories over to third world countries so they could pay lower wages and break up the labor unions

like these
http://www.stlamerican.com/your_health_ ... ml?photo=0
http://healthmad.com/beauty/contaminate ... blindness/